I won't go on a long ass rant or be bitter about things because I honestly have no time (Typical Jun LOL). Before I ask you 2 question(s), I would like to say congratulations on making it this far, and whichever one of you win this season, it'll be a good new years gift since it's 2014!
No bitter remarks from me, just answer these questions I have for you and I will also be watching how you'll be responding to the other juror's statements
For Rachel: 1. On a scale of 1-10, please rate each Juror and how well rounded they were throughout the season. 2. Why should I give you my vote to win? 3. Why shouldn't James win?
For James: 1. Compare yourself, Rach, and the jury members to a Big Brother USA contestant and based on their game play, why? 2. Why should I give you my vote to win? 3. Why shouldn't Rachel win?
Post by James Rhine on Jan 12, 2014 22:02:07 GMT -6
1. Compare yourself, Rach, and the jury members to a Big Brother USA contestant and based on their game play, why?
James - Janelle, because I get third place all the time. Rachel - Janelle season 7, she won a lot of competitions. Porsche - Hayden season 12, was very well connected in the house. Jack - Memphis, season 10, loyal to a fault. At least that's how I viewed Porsche/Jack's relationship. Jessie - Britney season 12, obviously the sweetheart this season, and prob entertaining in her DR lol. Elissa - Andy season 15, all I saw in Elissa was Andy's game play. And I respect Andy's game play a lot. Dominic - Dominic season 13, knew the veterans had to be taken out but was unsuccessful. Andrew - Boogie season 7, resting on a power known to the house for a while Jun - Jessie season 15, you were in the house but didn't really do much lol
2. Why should I give you my vote to win?
I think of the 4 times I played in recycled, I'm most proud of this one. I just love that I didn't have solid connections at the beginning (a la my eviction), and upon my return, week by week I wedged myself in with some peeps to buy myself one more week in the house.
Like literally, I saw Ian cheated when I returned to the house, so I rode that wave as hard as I could. After Ian left, I focused on Andrew, for having a DPOV and not nominating Ian (in doing so, forcing Rachel to nominate Andrew next to you to flush it). Then I focused on Porsche and of course that failed, so I was on the outskirts.
I mean it was just entertaining to see that every week I had to come up with something to buy myself more time. I didn't have the comfort like I had in some other seasons where I would say, "Oh, if I'm nominated next to this person, I'm safe." I felt that if I was ever a post-veto nominee, that my fate would be the same as week 2 and that I'd be voted out. And I was never nominated post-veto since returning to the house.
I woke up, worked it, and hope to be the winner of this thing when it's all said and done.
3. Why shouldn't Rachel win?
I'll make a stat sheet:
HoH wins: Rachel 5; James 2 PoV wins: Rachel 2; James 3 Nominated pre-veto: Rachel 0; James 3 Nominated post-veto: Rachel 2; James 1
What I like about myself over Rachel here is that the one time I was nominated post-veto, I was evicted. I think that's a testament to my threat level. The two times Rachel survived were at Final 4 and Final 3, both my votes to save her.
I'll make a "move" sheet that directly relates to me and Rachel:
Rachel votes to keep me Week 2. Rachel nominates my two closest allies [Shane and Dominic] Week 5 Rachel exposed James and Dom's trifling ways Week 9 Rachel won PoV Week 10 Rachel won HoH and PoV Week 11
James campaigned to Rachel to backdoor Ian Week 5 James campaigned everyone in survivor week to vote out Ian Week 6 James convinces Rachel to nominate Andrew to flush DPOV Week 7 James votes out Porsche Week 8 James won PoV Week 9 James proposed a final 2 with Rachel Week 10 James created all vet final 3 Week 10 James won PoV Week 12 James won Final HoH Week 13 (more like Week 50)
Obviously I know more about my move list than Rachel's, but what's important to note is that Rachel won PoV week 10, and HoH and PoV Week 11.
So when I was HoH at Week 10, unbeknownst to me, regardless of who I nominated, Rachel would stay, and would be in complete control the following week (winning HoH and PoV Week 11).
I think it's impressive that I made the correct decision on who to nominate and what deals to make Week 10.
I think each of my competition wins were meaningful. I had some bargaining power in getting Rachel to nominate Andrew when I vetoed Dominic (I basically said you either nominate Andrew and we're good, or nominate Elissa and you lose me+Dom). I saved myself from the block the two other times I won PoV. And I set myself up nicely to go to final 2 with my HoH reign week 10.
I think Rachel's competition wins were more filler in nature, and she felt comfortable with the relationships she developed with winning so many competitions.
I just feel like I had more challenges to overcome than Rachel, whether it was lack of comp wins, lack of trust or pre-game know-a-bouts of different houseguests, etc.
It's not necessarily that I feel Rachel doesn't deserve to win (I mean, her comp record speaks for itself). I just feel like I deserve to win more than Rachel does.
Post by Rachel Plencner on Jan 15, 2014 21:27:26 GMT -6
For Rachel:
1. On a scale of 1-10, please rate each Juror and how well rounded they were throughout the season.
Jun - 4 - I love you to pieces, but you weren't really into the game much, and didn't have a lot of strong social connections. I do you think you were aided by being close with Porsche and I, as well as doing well enough in the competitions early on to keep yourself out of the yellow in the PRP, but the lack of a social game, and strong strategic game is why I gave you a four.
Andrew - 7 - I think Andrew played a very good social game. He was incorporated into the alliance Shane formed and had strong connections with strong players. The reason I didn't rate Andrew higher is because his enemies were clearly defined, and the DPoV always kept a target on his back.
Dominic - 6 - Dominic was relatively aware that he wasn't in a good position and that he needed to do something about it, however he wasn't very social with anyone outside of his alliance, which prevented him from being able to do anything about Porsche/I. Dominic's only hope was winning a competition, and the one time he did, what he wanted to see happen failed.
Elissa - 8 - Elissa played one of the strongest social games of the cast. For the most part, nobody wanted to nominate her, and she was able to place herself in the plans of many other cast members. While she didn't win many competitions, she did well in the PRP proving she could. I also feel had I gone home, Elissa could have easily made it to the F2.
Jessie - 8 - I think Jessie's best quality was her awareness. The thing that always struck me about her was how easily she was able to pick up on things without being told them. While she wasn't the best in competitions, she used her awareness to play a solid strategic game that got her all the way to the F5. A lot of people also said she was the sweetheart of the game, proving she played a strong social game.
Jack - 5 - While a lot of people bag on Jack's game I don't think he had a bad strategy at all. He was able to win a few competitions, and even though he was viewed as a goat, he got all the way to the F4. I think Jack's biggest weakness was just not being around more/not being more social, and not attempting to play a game where he exercised some control. He was very passive in nature, which weakened his strategic game.
Porsche - 10 - Porsche was the whole package. She knows how to talk to people and convince them to do what she wants, she can win competitions, and also throw them very convincingly. She knows just how to get people to do what she wants. Even though she didn't make it to the F2, there is no doubt she is a phenomenal player.
2. Why should I give you my vote to win?
I think I should receive your vote to win because I think my gameplay was all around superior to James. I won more competitions, I spent more time in the game, and I had no votes against me. James had six votes against him, was nominated three times (all before the Veto) whereas I was only nominated twice, and both were due to not winning competitions.
I noticed in James responses he commented on my competition wins being "filler in nature." I completely disagree. With every HoH reign I had, I used it order to make a move to advance me and my closest alliance members in the game, in order to end up with my ideal F5 of Jessie, Jack, James, and Porsche.
Comp Wins: Week 3 HoH: I took out Adria who proved to be shady and could have tried to snake me (as well as David/Ian/Porsche, who at that time, were my main alliance) down the road. Week 5 HoH: I took out Shane, who had a lot of pull with the house, and I whole-heartedly believe if Shane had stayed in the game, he would have been my downfall. Week 7 HoH: While my plan to have Elissa evicted fell through, your eviction was beneficial, because in the event Porsche and I were nominated in a later week, I felt you probably would have kept Porsche over me, meaning I was increasing my chances of staying in the game if I was nominated. Week 9 HoH: I used to get out Dominic, someone who was 100% after me, and pulled most of the house onto my side. Week 10 PoV: Sealed Elissa's fate, and at that point Elissa was my biggest roadblock in the game. Week 11 HoH: I used to ensure I had tight bonds with both Porsche/James, and got Jessie evicted to prove my loyalty to them in hopes they'd be loyal to me down the road. Week 11 PoV: Winning this Veto was important because it meant I wouldn't have to name a replacement nominee, and Porsche/James could still feel that I was taking both of them to F2. Had I had to replace, it could have caused some problems with the F2s I had with both of them.
Finally when it pertains to James having more challenges to overcome, I'd say I had just as many challenges to overcome. Walking in people thought I had won my season because of my competition wins and were immediately threatened by me for this reason. In comparison, James didn't care and got evicted early. I used my social game to do something about my position, which helped me be okay in the game, even when I was in the yellow during the PRP rankings.
3. Why shouldn't James win?
To build off of my previous statements, I don't think James should win because while I do think he played a good game, I don't think he played to win. He came into the game not caring, and by the time he came back, he had avoided a lot of drama that transpired in the house (ex: Adria's speech), whereas in comparison I was here the whole time and always cared, and with that I have a few more things to comment from James stat sheet.
James says him being evicted was a testament to his threat level, but I disagree with this completely. While I agree James was a threat, he was evicted Week 2 because he played a very sloppy, and transparent game for the first two weeks. Once nominations were finalized he didn't express any concern at all. He knew he was getting evicted and elected to do nothing about it.
I also want to comment on James move in Week 10 to keep Porsche/I safe. While I do think it was a smart move for his self preservation in the game, James was given the opportunity to try and take me out at the final four and didn't. Had James really shown a strong desire to win, he would have evicted me and taken Jack instead, since many jurors expressed they would have a very hard time voting for Jack. This is what I mean when I say James didn't have a strong desire to win.
In comparison I made ballsy moves that weren't easy to make all game, in hopes that I could make it to this point and beat anyone I was against. While I don't think James played a bad game at all, I just think I played better and that's what I feel I should win and James shouldn't win.
Thanks for the questions Jun. I miss our crazy conversations and I can't wait to talk to you when the game is over. Good luck with your decision!