Congratulations Rachel on becoming Head of Household. Use this room as you wish. You can invite any houseguests you want in or just keep it to yourself. Enjoy your room for the week. .
Post by Rachel Plencner on Nov 6, 2013 22:16:28 GMT -6
Alright kids we need to talk. Im going out right now, but obviously the word around the street is that we are after each other. How bout we talk it out? Who wants to start?
Post by Porsche Briggs on Nov 7, 2013 6:55:58 GMT -6
Ugh Julie I don't see that you were invited geez!
I'll start Rachel! Last week I felt very targeted and I feel that some people were not even treated very nicely just because they wanted to vote to keep me. I thought that there were either mutual agreements in some cases or deals in others but seems those were not genuine maybe?
Post by Dominic Briones on Nov 7, 2013 7:24:24 GMT -6
Porsche, you definitely were targeted, so having felt targeted is justified. I'm not sure who felt they were not treated nicely....? I know personally, I told both Elissa and Rachel that I understood their reasoning for voting the way that they did. As for Jack, I shared a few PMs with him, none of which, to my knowledge included anything that could have been taken as mean. The only time I really vented some frustration was just last night to Jack, and even then, I feel like I wasn't mean at all.
From day 1, I've been wary of you Porsche and you Rachel, but that was a result of knowing just how good both of you are/can be. Porsche, you've never actually come after me in this game, but I also have known that you've had many ties, and so I never truly felt like I could trust you. I didn't want to just wait around for it to be my turn to be the low man on the totem pole of your allies. That's just me being honest. And as for Rachel, we've already talked, but I came to you 2 times during your previous reigns with deals/plans, and in retrospect, I see that both times I was essentially a pawn for a bigger plan. The first time, I knew I was a pawn, but I didn't know the true plan. And the 2nd time, I really didn't know what to think, aside from assuming you truly just didn't see any value in working with me.
I think we're all smart enough to see that the two of you have now established yourselves as the most "visible" threats, with Rachel's bajillion challenge wins and Porsche's many social ties. And at the same time, James and I are viewed as a threat bc of our friendship outside of this game. However, I also think we're all smart enough to realize that this doesn't rule out the other 3 players. Elissa has put herself in a great middle position, Jessie is just a sweetheart and can claim that she has at least won an HoH and wasn't afraid to attempt a move (even if it failed), and Jack... well Jack might seem to be a goat, but I'm sure that he's got some claim to fame that he might be able to swing. Plus, he's just not on anybody's radar. So yeah, I think that those 3 are probably happy if the 2 of our pairs go at one another.
But in the end, I have no problem admitting that I've had it in my mind to make moves against you guys, because aside from James saving me with the veto this game, I haven't felt like anybody has truly given me a solid reason for me to trust them. I feel like there have always been ulterior motives, and I know I'm guilty of that as well.
So yeah, as I told you last night Rachel, I'm in no position to try to call any shots. Once again, I have to sit back and see if you will actually make a move that shows I can trust you. And in moving forward, all I can say is that I'd be willing to reciprocate that generosity.
None of this has ever been personal for me. I think that the group of us in this room are strong players, and I have no ill-will regardless of what happens. But for every action, there is a consequence (whether good or bad), so we'll see where our actions in this game lead us!
Post by James Rhine on Nov 7, 2013 10:25:23 GMT -6
The word on the street is about us because we are all relevant. Js.
But for real, there was no reason for me to vote out Porsche last round. And I vented that to peeps a couple days ago lol. But it's one of those decisions I can't take back, I'll have to lay in the bed I made.
The ball is in your court with how we proceed. And I'll respect/reciprocate whatever decision you make. At this point, Jack/Elissa/Jessie are riding all of our coattails, but Jack and Elissa are also the reasons why Porsche's still in this house. So it's an interesting dynamic to say the least. I do have to say though, that if the opportunity presented itself, I could see those 3 nominating any combination of us 4, because of their jealousy of our star quality. Whereas Dominic and I would legitimately have no reason to nominate either of you if we make it through this week.
I however, have no problem honoring a legitimate, concrete, f4 deal moving forward. I think Dom and I are fair minded allies, and I would have a problem with either of us taking advantage of any grace that you would display to us this week.
This is kind of like Big Brother 15, when irrelevant people grouped together to "exterminate" the relevant people, to have floater Andy win. I'm not saying Jack, Jessie, and Elissa have a three-man alliance, but I can't see any of them going after each other before coming after us.
Finally, us working in this group would be good in a sense that we would know where each other stands. Porsche + Rachel / Dominic + James. We would be able to have majority if any other person is on the block, but we would also know how the votes would lie if we found our group nominated with one another.
Those are all my main ideas for us to proceed. Reservations will happen about me and Dom's loyalty, but I 100% believe that Jessie, Elissa, and Jack need to be even moreso reserved, especially at this point in the game. And that at least for me, and I hope Dom would agree, that we would owe Rachel and Porsche to the final 4. Not to the final 6, or 5, but to the Final 4. That our votes would reflect this each round. And that we would all have the same clear mission of making it to the end.
Post by Dominic Briones on Nov 7, 2013 11:09:56 GMT -6
If a final 4 deal is on the table, I can commit to that. Yes, it would come down to a head to head battle in the end, but at least we'd know we were going out on our own terms and as a result of our own losses, rather than being taken out while there were people standing by and watching from the sidelines. Plus, as I said to you Porsche when I let you know I was voting against you, I'm prepared to go toe-to-toe and see what happens. Whether that's now or if we can push it back to the final 4, at some point, we're all gonna have to go against one another. Only two people can make the finals and only one of us can win. But I will say that if we would happen to make final 4, what an epic final 4 that could be! lol
Post by Dominic Briones on Nov 7, 2013 11:11:20 GMT -6
And yes, just know where we all stand would be a HUGE relief. Because one of my biggest frustrations this whole game was never knowing where I stood with hardly anybody. I think that this move could put us all at a little more ease.
Post by James Rhine on Nov 7, 2013 11:17:09 GMT -6
Just to clarify Dominic, if Porsche and Elissa/Jack/Jessie were nom'd, would you vote to keep Porsche?
Or Rachel with Elissa/Jack/Jessie?
If the opportunity presented itself to evict Rachel/Porsche in the final 6 or 5, you can not budge. I think if you confirm that, there's a chance for this to work out.
Just to clarify Dominic, if Porsche and Elissa/Jack/Jessie were nom'd, would you vote to keep Porsche?
Or Rachel with Elissa/Jack/Jessie?
If the opportunity presented itself to evict Rachel/Porsche in the final 6 or 5, you can not budge. I think if you confirm that, there's a chance for this to work out.
As hard as that would be, considering this game, I am willing to give my word that I wouldn't evict Porsche/Rachel in that case. I recognize that the only way this will work is if we can all move forward with a sense of trust.
Lol at the tension in this HoH room. I can almost imagine the 4 of us sitting in the actual Big Brother house. But at the end of the day, I REALLY do like this group of people. Game aside, I think we make an awesome group, and this move would be pretty memorable for this season having 4 returning players who became pitted against one another make a push to the finals, showing everyone why we were all invited back in the first place.
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